head 1.2; access; symbols; locks; strict; comment @# @; 1.2 date 2002.04.06.13.34.02; author rse; state Exp; branches; next 1.1; 1.1 date 2002.04.06.13.25.09; author rse; state Exp; branches; next ; desc @@ 1.2 log @add reply @ text @From rse@@visp.engelschall.com Sun Mar 31 15:01:34 2002 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.11.0+) via UUCP for rse@@en1.engelschall.com id g2VD1YZ92558; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:01:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 366B44CE698; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:00:16 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: rse@@engelschall.com Received: from mail.rons.net.cn (unknown [202.94.1.151]) by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275D94CE5F1 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:00:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from fred@@localhost) by mail.rons.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA92225; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:53:25 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from fred@@mail.rons.net.cn) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:53:25 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200203311753.BAA92225@@mail.rons.net.cn> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.rons.net.cn: fred set sender to fred@@mail.rons.net.cn using -f From: Hong Feng To: rse@@engelschall.com Cc: fred@@mail.rons.net.cn, rms@@gnu.org, gnu@@vsnl.net Subject: OpenPKG for GNU Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1286 Lines: 34 Hi Ralf: I am still waiting your article about OpenPKG for FSM readers. Pls let me know when you could submit it to me. BTW, I am trying to release a distribution of GNU system (--- not that of GNU/Linux, but one based on GNU/Hurd), currently GNU has more than 3,000 packages which are free under GPL or other copyleft licenses to enter into the distribution. Recently RMS said in India that GNU system is likely to be in production this year. I think it is the right time to consider to make a user-friendly distribution of it. (There are ISO CD-ROM images of Hurd freely downloadable from ftp.gnu.org which used the same dpkg tool on GNU/Linux.) RMS told me he could consider other free package management tools like OpenPKG for a GNU system distribution if you could show him and the Hurd people the technical internals of it, note though, he did not promise me GNU will use it, but at least you could try to convince him OpenPKG has technical advantages over others now. Best, Frederic -- +------------------------------------------+ | Hong Feng | | Publisher, FREE SOFTWARE Magazine (FSM) | | fred@@mail.rons.net.cn hongfeng@@gnu.org | | http://www.rons.net.cn/hongfeng.html | +------------------------------------------+ From rse@@visp.engelschall.com Sat Mar 9 03:00:55 2002 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.11.0+) via UUCP for rse@@en1.engelschall.com id g2920tk23291; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 03:00:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D18504CE694; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:30:03 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: rse@@engelschall.com Received: from mail.rons.net.cn (unknown [202.94.1.151]) by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E494CE617 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:30:00 +0100 (CET) Received: (from fred@@localhost) by mail.rons.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA51810; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:22:23 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from fred@@mail.rons.net.cn) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:22:23 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200203090722.PAA51810@@mail.rons.net.cn> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.rons.net.cn: fred set sender to fred@@mail.rons.net.cn using -f From: Hong Feng To: rse@@engelschall.com Cc: fred@@mail.rons.net.cn, loic@@gnu.org In-reply-to: <20020308223009.GA15600@@engelschall.com> (rse@@engelschall.com) Subject: Re: article about OpenPKG References: <200203090539.NAA51627@@mail.rons.net.cn> <20020308223009.GA15600@@engelschall.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1448 Lines: 42 I'm personally very busy these weeks with other things. But I can try to delegate this job to someone of my development team. But that's OK. we need first answers to a few questions: o What is the deadline? To catch issue04, the timeline is Mar 20, 2002. o What format do you expect for the article? In TEI is the most prefered, but if the author is not familiar with it, just send us the simple text, plus the figures if any. Then let our editors do it, and send back to the author to check again. o What min/max size do you expect for the acticle? Normally, I don't want to set a length restriction for our authors, so that they could write down their ideas in full length. For your case, I think 10-15 pages of A4 paper is good, I wished the author could unleash the technical internals of OpenPKG, so that it could be applied by more and more free software packages in the future. I have seen a nice presentation on your web site, I think the author could start based on it, and go ahead with his explanations in text. Also of course, the license issue could be a small section of it. maybe the author could make a comparasion of OpenPKG, rpm and dpkg too. thanks again for your support, Frederic -- ------------------------------------------ Hong Feng Publisher, Free Software Magazine fred@@mail.rons.net.cn hongfeng@@gnu.org http://www.rons.net.cn/hongfeng.html ------------------------------------------ From rse@@visp.engelschall.com Sat Jan 12 03:01:35 2002 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.11.0+) via UUCP for rse@@en1.engelschall.com id g0C21ZG71359; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:01:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9A7A64CE539; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:55:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: rse@@engelschall.com Received: from mail.openpkg.org (master.openpkg.org [195.27.176.150]) by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615B54CE504 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:55:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.openpkg.org (Postfix) id E14821C180B; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:55:08 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: rse@@openpkg.org Received: from mail.rons.net.cn (mail.rons.net.cn [202.94.1.151]) by mail.openpkg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7DA1C1802 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:55:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (from fred@@localhost) by mail.rons.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13389; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:49:24 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from fred@@mail.rons.net.cn) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:49:24 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200201120949.RAA13389@@mail.rons.net.cn> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.rons.net.cn: fred set sender to fred@@mail.rons.net.cn using -f From: Hong Feng To: rse@@openpkg.org Cc: fred@@mail.rons.net.cn Subject: the license of openpkg X-SpamBouncer: 1.3 (1/18/01) X-SBClass: OK Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 496 Lines: 19 Dear Ralf: What license governs OpenPKG? I means if it is free under copyleft, then I would like to invite you or someone else in the team to write an article about it for Free Software magazine. More details about FSM: http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/issue01 Best, Frederic -- ------------------------------------------ Hong Feng Publisher, Free Software Magazine fred@@mail.rons.net.cn hongfeng@@gnu.org http://www.rons.net.cn/hongfeng.html ------------------------------------------ From rse@@visp.engelschall.com Sat Jan 12 19:01:58 2002 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.11.0+) via UUCP for rse@@en1.engelschall.com id g0CI1vg85336; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:01:57 +0100 (CET) Received: by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1EA0F4CE539; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:56:56 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: rse@@engelschall.com Received: from mail.rons.net.cn (mail.rons.net.cn [202.94.1.151]) by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F854CE504 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:56:53 +0100 (CET) Received: (from fred@@localhost) by mail.rons.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14522; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:51:21 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from fred@@mail.rons.net.cn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:51:21 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200201122351.HAA14522@@mail.rons.net.cn> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.rons.net.cn: fred set sender to fred@@mail.rons.net.cn using -f From: Hong Feng To: rse@@engelschall.com Cc: fred@@mail.rons.net.cn In-reply-to: <20020112084305.GB78337@@engelschall.com> (rse@@engelschall.com) Subject: Re: the license of openpkg References: <200201120949.RAA13389@@mail.rons.net.cn> <20020112084305.GB78337@@engelschall.com> X-SpamBouncer: 1.3 (1/18/01) X-SBClass: OK Status: RO Content-Length: 975 Lines: 28 Hi Ralf: The license of OpenPKG is two-fold: the part we wrote (all the package specification files, the additions scripts, etc. pp) are placed under a simple BSD/MIT-style license. All other parts (the vendor stuff on which OpenPKG is based) is kept under the original license of the vendor. In our case (because OpenPKG packages only Open Source) these are at least all OSI approved licenses. So, AFAIK in the sense of GNU, OpenPKG is Free Software, because all of its licensed parts are at least compatible with the GPL (because our BSD/MIT-style license not even has an advertisement clause, etc.). This looks nice, though it is not GPLed. So could you (or someone else ) could introduce it for FSM readers? Best, Frederic -- ------------------------------------------ Hong Feng Publisher, Free Software Magazine fred@@mail.rons.net.cn hongfeng@@gnu.org http://www.rons.net.cn/hongfeng.html ------------------------------------------ From rse@@visp.engelschall.com Thu Jan 24 19:13:29 2002 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.11.0+) via UUCP for rse@@en1.engelschall.com id g0OIDTS23116; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:13:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C97364CE74F; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:05:01 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: rse@@engelschall.com Received: from mail.rons.net.cn (unknown [202.94.1.151]) by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9447D4CE74C for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:04:59 +0100 (CET) Received: (from fred@@localhost) by mail.rons.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA43917; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:59:48 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from fred@@mail.rons.net.cn) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:59:48 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200201250159.JAA43917@@mail.rons.net.cn> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.rons.net.cn: fred set sender to fred@@mail.rons.net.cn using -f From: Hong Feng To: rse@@engelschall.com Cc: fred@@mail.rons.net.cn Subject: article about how to use OpenPKG X-SpamBouncer: 1.3 (1/18/01) X-SBClass: OK Status: RO Content-Length: 634 Lines: 23 Hi Ralf: Could you write an article on how to use openpkg for FREE SOFTWARE magazine (based on the material on your site)? I hope you could write a group of articles about it, and this is the first one. In the upcoming articles, you could cover the technical internals of openpkg. I read the presentation about openpkg on your site, it is good to extend into a nice artcile. You could start from it. Best, Frederic -- ------------------------------------------ Hong Feng Publisher, Free Software Magazine fred@@mail.rons.net.cn hongfeng@@gnu.org http://www.rons.net.cn/hongfeng.html ------------------------------------------ From rse@@visp.engelschall.com Fri Mar 8 23:27:05 2002 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.11.0+) via UUCP for rse@@en1.engelschall.com id g28MR5i15102; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:27:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 14C914CE726; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 22:46:49 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: rse@@engelschall.com Received: from mail.rons.net.cn (unknown [202.94.1.151]) by visp.engelschall.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCE74CE694 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 22:46:45 +0100 (CET) Received: (from fred@@localhost) by mail.rons.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA51627; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:39:10 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from fred@@mail.rons.net.cn) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:39:10 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200203090539.NAA51627@@mail.rons.net.cn> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.rons.net.cn: fred set sender to fred@@mail.rons.net.cn using -f From: Hong Feng To: rse@@engelschall.com Cc: fred@@mail.rons.net.cn Subject: article about OpenPKG X-SpamBouncer: 1.3 (1/18/01) X-SBClass: OK Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 348 Lines: 16 Hi, I am preparing the next issue of FREE SOFTWARE magazine now, could you write one article about OpenPKG for it? thanks, Frederic -- ------------------------------------------ Hong Feng Publisher, Free Software Magazine fred@@mail.rons.net.cn hongfeng@@gnu.org http://www.rons.net.cn/hongfeng.html ------------------------------------------ From rse@@engelschall.com Fri Mar 8 23:30:09 2002 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:30:09 +0100 From: "Ralf S. Engelschall" To: Hong Feng Subject: Re: article about OpenPKG Message-ID: <20020308223009.GA15600@@engelschall.com> Reply-To: rse@@engelschall.com References: <200203090539.NAA51627@@mail.rons.net.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200203090539.NAA51627@@mail.rons.net.cn> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Web-Homepage: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-PGP-Public-Key: https://www.engelschall.com/ho/rse/pgprse.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 00 C9 21 8E D1 AB 70 37 DD 67 A2 3A 0A 6F 8D A5 Status: RO Content-Length: 627 Lines: 16 On Sat, Mar 09, 2002, Hong Feng wrote: > I am preparing the next issue of FREE SOFTWARE magazine now, could you write > one article about OpenPKG for it? I'm personally very busy these weeks with other things. But I can try to delegate this job to someone of my development team. But we need first answers to a few questions: o What is the deadline? o What format do you expect for the article? o What min/max size do you expect for the acticle? Ralf S. Engelschall rse@@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com From rse@@engelschall.com Sat Jan 12 09:43:05 2002 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:43:05 +0100 From: "Ralf S. Engelschall" To: Hong Feng Subject: Re: the license of openpkg Message-ID: <20020112084305.GB78337@@engelschall.com> Reply-To: rse@@engelschall.com References: <200201120949.RAA13389@@mail.rons.net.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201120949.RAA13389@@mail.rons.net.cn> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Web-Homepage: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-PGP-Public-Key: https://www.engelschall.com/ho/rse/pgprse.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 00 C9 21 8E D1 AB 70 37 DD 67 A2 3A 0A 6F 8D A5 Status: RO Content-Length: 1005 Lines: 19 On Sat, Jan 12, 2002, Hong Feng wrote: > What license governs OpenPKG? I means if it is free under copyleft, > then I would like to invite you or someone else in the team to > write an article about it for Free Software magazine. The license of OpenPKG is two-fold: the part we wrote (all the package specification files, the additions scripts, etc. pp) are placed under a simple BSD/MIT-style license. All other parts (the vendor stuff on which OpenPKG is based) is kept under the original license of the vendor. In our case (because OpenPKG packages only Open Source) these are at least all OSI approved licenses. So, AFAIK in the sense of GNU, OpenPKG is Free Software, because all of its licensed parts are at least compatible with the GPL (because our BSD/MIT-style license not even has an advertisement clause, etc.). Ralf S. Engelschall rse@@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com From rse@@engelschall.com Sat Apr 6 15:33:19 2002 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 15:33:19 +0200 From: "Ralf S. Engelschall" To: Hong Feng Cc: openpkg-team@@openpkg.org Subject: Re: OpenPKG for GNU Message-ID: <20020406133319.GA63602@@engelschall.com> Reply-To: rse@@engelschall.com References: <200203311753.BAA92225@@mail.rons.net.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200203311753.BAA92225@@mail.rons.net.cn> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Web-Homepage: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.engelschall.com/ho/rse/pgprse.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 00 C9 21 8E D1 AB 70 37 DD 67 A2 3A 0A 6F 8D A5 Status: RO Content-Length: 1462 Lines: 34 On Mon, Apr 01, 2002, Hong Feng wrote: > I am still waiting your article about OpenPKG for FSM readers. Pls let > me know when you could submit it to me. It's now available to you under the URL http://www.openpkg.org/doc/articles/fsm/article.txt Sorry for the delay, but this article crossed our writing of another OpenPKG article for the SysAdmin magazine and they also had a strong deadline. The format is plain text with just three markup tags: C<...> for code, I<...> for italics and U<...> for URLs. So it is easy for you to convert into your TEI format. > [...] > Recently RMS said in India that GNU system is likely to be in > production this year. I think it is the right time to consider > to make a user-friendly distribution of it. (There are ISO > CD-ROM images of Hurd freely downloadable from ftp.gnu.org which > used the same dpkg tool on GNU/Linux.) > > RMS told me he could consider other free package management > tools like OpenPKG for a GNU system distribution if you could > show him and the Hurd people the technical internals of it, note > though, he did not promise me GNU will use it, but at least you > could try to convince him OpenPKG has technical advantages over > others now. I'll try to comment on this separately with RMS on Cc, too. Ralf S. Engelschall rse@@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com @ 1.1 log @Add another article about OpenPKG for the Free Software Magazine. @ text @d22 1 d408 57 @